tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2761538946854485154.post504737734159663922..comments2024-03-11T03:02:29.875-06:00Comments on Simple Massing Priest: Who'd'a thunk it?Malcolm+http://www.blogger.com/profile/08469936715413110334noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2761538946854485154.post-51914439766252422462009-08-02T22:36:04.272-06:002009-08-02T22:36:04.272-06:00Malcolm,
there were two clergy who were admonish...Malcolm, <br /><br />there were two clergy who were admonished for that service. The parish priest was one. +Ted Scott was the other one. He read the nuptial blessing. Read the intro to his autobiography.<br /><br />Nic e blog, BTW.akintohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06792900623941300762noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2761538946854485154.post-36338571727342327102009-07-26T22:09:39.310-06:002009-07-26T22:09:39.310-06:00Hey - the liturgy isn't that bad. I see there...Hey - the liturgy isn't that bad. I see there are a number of choices for each section, and there seems to be something to suit most people, from the Kumbaya crowd (some people like that stuff) to the more serious. No doubt it won't please the BCP die-hards, but then I don't think Cramner had this in mind either. <br /><br />I think it is a brave first attempt.Seekernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2761538946854485154.post-3074118209292710412009-07-26T20:59:40.838-06:002009-07-26T20:59:40.838-06:00I don't know if I'd go as far as Billy D, ...I don't know if I'd go as far as Billy D, but his critique and yours do serve to hit the nail on the head.<br /><br />That said, the apparent dearth of good liturgists in Niagara doesn't necessarily mean the drought extends through the whole of the Canadian Church. And the longer the BAS stands, the more likely it is to become ingrained to the point of being unalterable (at least without a fight.<br /><br />On your other point, I concede you have a very strong point about process. The distinction you former bishop's committee made, in which the previous General Synod concurred between "doctrine" and "core doctrine in the sense of cfredal" might arguably provide some wriggle room - but that's a very weak straw from which to build a bridge.<br /><br />Tim, I particularly wanted to credit your line: "Most of the gay Anglicans I know are far too orthodox in their theology . . ." One of the things I like about your approach to this issue is that you don't make that leap of logic that anyone who supports LGBTQ inclusion is trying to gut the Nicene Creed.Malcolm+https://www.blogger.com/profile/08469936715413110334noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2761538946854485154.post-62004803190331297892009-07-26T01:20:53.729-06:002009-07-26T01:20:53.729-06:00Having read the liturgy, I concur with your assess...Having read the liturgy, I concur with your assessment. I especially liked the comment on 'Thinking Anglicans' by Billy D:<br /><br /><i>Personally, I believe that the Niagara Rite is part of a secret homophobic plot to keep gay people from seeking to have our relationships validated in a Church ceremony. When no right-thinking, God-fearing, tasteful gay couple show up to ask for this awful, badly written, tacky ceremony to be performed over them, the dastardly gay-hating Bishop of Niagara will use it as proof that we don't really want SSBs, and try to ban them altogether.<br /><br />Because that's the only scenario where relasing this laughably bad bit of liturgy makes sense.</i><br /><br />Most of the gay Anglicans I know are far too orthodox in their theology to be attracted by all the pop-psychology-speak in this liturgy. I'm guessing they want something that really feels like a traditional church blessing, not something that feels like a cross between an insipid liturgical chant and a camp-fire kumbaya session. If this is the best liturgy we can produce in one of Canada's 'trail-blazing dioceses', I'm gonna fight tooth and nail against any suggestion of a revision of the BAS!!!<br /><br />But as for the issue itself, I have real problems with Niagara's actions. The best Anglican theologians in Canada, from across the liturgical spectrum, concluded that SSBs are a doctrinal issue. The constitution and canons of General Synod are clear that only General Synod has the authority to make doctrinal changes in the ACC. If dioceses and their bishops are going to go ahead and do what they want anyway, why not just be honest, abolish General Synod and tell the world the truth - that we have, not a national church, but a sovereignty-association of independent dioceses?Tim Chestertonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13676859074652475474noreply@blogger.com