tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2761538946854485154.post5747350256486393903..comments2024-03-11T03:02:29.875-06:00Comments on Simple Massing Priest: Communities of sinnersMalcolm+http://www.blogger.com/profile/08469936715413110334noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2761538946854485154.post-88060882022574410182009-07-16T08:13:30.505-06:002009-07-16T08:13:30.505-06:00In most endeavours, it is possible to get get some...In most endeavours, it is possible to get get some objective measure of how effective one's efforts are. The measures that we tend to use to assess the effectiveness of churches and clergy may or may not give an accurate picture.<br /><br />Average Sunday Attendance (not, in itself, a bad thing to measure) may indicate a parish that comforts the afflicted - or it may indicate a church that is careful never to afflict the comfortable.Malcolm+https://www.blogger.com/profile/08469936715413110334noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2761538946854485154.post-58664347322572574242009-07-16T04:56:32.736-06:002009-07-16T04:56:32.736-06:00I agree. But why would we need to measure them?I agree. But why would we need to measure them?Erika Bakerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01812376497361267014noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2761538946854485154.post-17974459280450903922009-07-11T12:46:40.068-06:002009-07-11T12:46:40.068-06:00The very same who authored The Message and taught ...The very same who authored The Message and taught for over twenty years at Regent in Vancover.<br />CPCountry Parsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02727241474360657192noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2761538946854485154.post-60223789173806429222009-07-10T22:47:00.966-06:002009-07-10T22:47:00.966-06:00We're beginning to use the Natural Church Deve...We're beginning to use the Natural Church Development process in our congregation to grow the health and vitality of our church. NCD does not measure attendance, but instead eight factors like "passionate spirituality" and "loving relationships". It focuses on 'quality'.<br /><br />It is still early days but it seems very promising. NCD is being used with success in about 50 parishes in the Anglican Diocese of Toronto, and in thousands churches of all denominations around the world.<br /><br />It may not measure the presence of Holy Spirit, but it seems much better than attendance figures.<br /><br />See www.ncd-international.org or www.ncdcanada.comSeekernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2761538946854485154.post-40049830548121370412009-07-10T22:43:10.225-06:002009-07-10T22:43:10.225-06:00ah, but the fruits of the Spirit are not abjective...ah, but the fruits of the Spirit are not abjectively measured.Malcolm+https://www.blogger.com/profile/08469936715413110334noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2761538946854485154.post-20311713973075622572009-07-10T04:12:50.710-06:002009-07-10T04:12:50.710-06:00Why do we need a statistical way of discerning the...Why do we need a statistical way of discerning the work of the Holy Spirit? I thought that by their fruits can you tell them.Erika Bakerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01812376497361267014noreply@blogger.com